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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2016.02.09 23:11:19 -
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pajedas wrote:Cidanel Afuran wrote:pajedas wrote:Because being one of the sheep is so much fun... Kind of hard to take someone seriously who calls people sheep. I have never used more than level 3 learning implants, given I have virtually never been in high sec. I also took a three month break, forgot to cancel one subscription and didn't have anything in the queue. Should I petition CCP because of lost skillpoints for those? After all, they are my god given right, yeah? Not calling everyone sheep, just you.
loss is essential. isk is too easy to get, without sp loss you could reconfigure your chars constantly whenever you needed to fly or fit something. well the rich could which woukd be pretty imba
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2016.02.10 01:47:23 -
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pajedas wrote:Everyone's explaining this from a political standpoint because there is no logical answer.
CCP is effectively "letting" people flush trained SP's down the drain.
And you guys don't think that's intentional?
Q: Who decided to make less efficient gas burning engines?
A: The people selling the oil.
Fix the machine!
theres mothing political about a mechanic thats designed to reduce (not eliminate) sucking out a skill when you wanna fly a specific ship with fittings at max skill then injecting them back later. some people have trillions of isk, no SP loss would make it much to easy to reconfigure skills whenever you wanted to. with SP loss theres a penalty to using your own sp rather than buying it from others.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2016.02.12 08:08:02 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Lina Sovereign wrote:I think it's just turning the game into a Pay2Win MMO with subscription. So if I have more SP I will always defeat you?
It is pay to win but its been paytowin since plex n character buying were allowed.
if you have more SP likely will beat youre opponent yeah. all other variables being equal. comparisons based on wild inequalities are useless. thats why comparisons are almost always done with only the variable in question being inequal.
Jeff n Joe both sign to EvE, they skill up until they can both fly a Tristan. Joe buys a years worth of skill points and trains all engineering, electronics, weps to 5.
Jeffs about to get his ass kicked. Joe paid to win. Pretty simple.
the only time this is not true is with already trained chars with Tristen related skills maxed.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2016.02.12 08:20:16 -
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Lan Wang wrote:but then no knowledge on the game as joe is researching actually buying skills, how and where to inject them while jeff is learning to kite and do pvp mechanics.
jeff wins because jeff knows how to eve, be like jeff
You just introduced another variable thats pure speculation. That doesnt work. What does work is Joe has max cap recharge, max speed, tracking, agility, shields, armor, T2 equipment etc etc. Jeffs dead meat :)
obviously there are exceptional players and shite players but when comparing as we have to with the multiple hundred thousand accounts in EvE we need to use avarage players as a baseline. So joe and jeff are both average players.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2016.02.12 08:47:04 -
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Lan Wang wrote:proper pay2win would be a new bro buying a 70mil sp char and beating a genuine trained 70mil sp player purely out of sp, but that doesnt happen so its not really pay2win is it?
its all speculation....
No not all speculation. Its fact that on average EvE players will not be fully trained. Its also fact that you could spend money to be fully trained up. Its fact that the average EvE player is an average pvpr obviously. that means on average those who buy sp will beat those who dont buy SP.
everyone seems to be in massive denial but the reality is you could already buy a char from day one so nothing really had changed.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2016.02.12 08:57:55 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Lan Wang wrote:proper pay2win would be a new bro buying a 70mil sp char and beating a genuine trained 70mil sp player purely out of sp, but that doesnt happen so its not really pay2win is it?
its all speculation....
No not all speculation. Its fact that on average EvE players will not be fully trained. Its also fact that you could spend money to be fully trained up. Its fact that the average EvE player is an average pvpr obviously. that means on average those who buy sp will beat those who dont buy SP. everyone seems to be in massive denial but the reality is you could already buy a char from day one so nothing really had changed. Doesn't really work like that. A player who trains up to max out a specific ship and/or combat style can't be outmatched by SP in that application even if another player buys more total SP. With individual skills capped at 5 and only a certain number of skills applying to each fit or ship widely divergent SP totals can actually perform the same if not close enough to be indistinguishable.
While true those max trained players dont matter though in that sense all things being equal we could call that scenario Pay Not To Lose.
The majority of players dont have all engineery, electronics gunnery navigation etc etc to max as well as all ship relevant skills theyre flying to max. the majority are average not elite.
now one of these average guysbcan pay to max elite themselves and stomp all the others.
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while somewhat alliviated by the numbers game the pay to win aspect will transfer even more spectacularly to group play where a non paying fleet will be trounced by paying fleets. its virtually garanteed that corps alliances will now require applicant to PTW to ge accepted or will fund PTW themselves
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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